The absence of Thunder Clap from the rotation and training list is intended. This skill is great against 3+ targets, especially when you are dungeon leveling with a premade group, in which case it should absolutely be one of your priorities. However, it is also expensive to train its multiple ranks, and its overall threat generation is weak, as it can only be used inside Battle Stance. Therefore, for the average tank in a pick up group, it will be more effective to do the suggested rotation, instead.
Nov 15 Loot sharing. Fools How stupid is the community about loot sharing? You know there is master loot right? Stop being dumb guys like holy crap. You also know that if you're the guy setting up a group or joining a group you have a option not to run or you can pick player's of different armor types... If you're a cloth wearer you just don't run or set up a group with other cloth wearers. Like this is something so simple and the community can't graps anything. I feel bad for blizzard sometimes with having to deal with brain power of this community. The community: "Oh, I didn't think about that. Derp, I'm an idiot."Plewtoe23 Nov 15
Nov 15 Why was it "easy" for Nost, but hard for Bliz During Blizzcon we were told how challenging (at least that's how it came off) it was for Blizzard to create a working version of Classic... but Nostalrius, with no ties to Blizzard, was able to make a relatively bug free version of Vanilla? When I say "bug free" I know there was "a lot" of issues, but nothing an entire team at Blizzard couldn't fix. Wouldn't it be less work?Goró64 Nov 15
Nov 15 Classic hit me like a truck I had no interest in it what so ever. After watching the blizzcon demo - I can’t stop thinking about it. The combat it’s so visceral. The world is so much bigger and so much more dangerous. Each fight reminded me of dark souls. I’ve been watching only classic and vanilla vids since blizzcon, it’s actually ruined retail for me. I was actually enjoying raiding in BFA but now I don’t want anything but to play classic and immerse myself in it. What is this sorcery? I heard vanilla wow was addictive, but really? I feel like I’m in withdrawal and I haven’t even played it yet. I think I’m in trouble once it releases. I don’t want to log into retail anymore :(Gripp204 Nov 15
Nov 15 Question about the PVP system I am struggling to put the words to my question so let me just throw my 'plan' out there. Please correct me if my assumptions are wrong. Since horde are typically the pvp focused faction, I planned on rolling alliance on a pvp server with horde dominating the server in order to climb pvp ranks easier. My queue times would be instant and there would be less competition when trying to climb the ranks. The way I understand the honor system is that I am competing against others on my faction for a position on the ladder. Less competition would make it easier to climb. I know I will never get rank 14 and don't plan on it. I thought with my limited play time, if I was on a horde dominated pvp server I would cap around rank 6-7. Being on the alliance on the same realm I could get to 8-9 with the same /played. Is this true or do I have it wrong?Jdpp5 Nov 15
At Level 20, buy Cleave and Retaliation. Cleave works similarly to Heroic Strike in that it replaces your next swing, but instead of just added damage, it will make that attack hit a second target nearby. Retaliation makes you counter-attack whenever you are melee attacked for 15 seconds, on a huge 30-minute cooldown. Use it when pulling multiple enemies.
At Level 20, buy Rank 3  Rend,  Cleave, and  Retaliation. Cleave works similarly to Heroic Strike in that it replaces your next swing, but instead of just added damage, it will make that attack hit a second target nearby. Retaliation makes you counter-attack whenever you are melee attacked for 15 seconds, on a huge 30-minute cooldown. Use it when you are pulling multiple enemies. 

Nov 15 Classic is too easy for 2019 playerbase I'm not big on gameplay changes, really I'm not but... The game is just too easy for today's standards. I really think some of these raids and instances need a serious increase in difficulty. MC is a joke, most of the tier sets are unbalanced, and a lot of seasoned players agree but fear the toxic Classic community to speak up on this issue.Hopera237 Nov 15
The Horde 12-20 (Barrens + Stonetalon Mountains) guide has been rewritten and revamped.  In addition, there has been numerous tweaks to the speedrun route to make things faster and easier to follow.  Also, in case you haven't noticed I am now adding about 40% more info per step and redoing all the images.  Unlike with my previous vanilla guides, I am now giving a brief explanation of where to go and what to do with each step along with any other helpful tips.
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Nov 15 Question about the PVP system I am struggling to put the words to my question so let me just throw my 'plan' out there. Please correct me if my assumptions are wrong. Since horde are typically the pvp focused faction, I planned on rolling alliance on a pvp server with horde dominating the server in order to climb pvp ranks easier. My queue times would be instant and there would be less competition when trying to climb the ranks. The way I understand the honor system is that I am competing against others on my faction for a position on the ladder. Less competition would make it easier to climb. I know I will never get rank 14 and don't plan on it. I thought with my limited play time, if I was on a horde dominated pvp server I would cap around rank 6-7. Being on the alliance on the same realm I could get to 8-9 with the same /played. Is this true or do I have it wrong?Jdpp5 Nov 15
Nov 15 Skeletons RIP Please allow skeletons of dead players to Rest In Peace. Witnessing the aftermath of a city / town raid and seeing a blanket of bones that told a story of how the battle went down, really helped add to the MMORPG feel. I did not play the “demo” but reports say that skeletons disappear fairly quick. #nochangesMakinb17CEDC26 Nov 15
Your talents should roughly look like this, but keep in mind there are plenty of individual points that can be swapped around based on preference. For example, the points in Improved Revenge can be swapped to Improved Sunder Armor or Improved Heroic Strike, if you struggle with Rage, and the missing point on Cruelty can be obtained from Improved Taunt. Finally, if you are dungeon leveling, consider getting Thunder Clap ranks and Improved Thunder Clap, as it is one of the most efficient spells to use when against multiple enemies, especially early on.
Queue Heroic Strike whenever you have excess Rage. Keep in mind that what Heroic Strike and Cleave do is replace your next auto-attack with a stronger one that will not grant you any Rage. So their real Rage cost is much higher than what is stated in the tooltip. Also, consider using and buying Sunder Armor ranks, both for tanking usage and to use against certain kinds of enemies, where it is more efficient to do so than using Heroic Strike.
The vanilla WoW Horde leveling guide you see on this site was originally made back in 2006 by Joana (AKA Mancow, or FuriousPaul).  The guides have been tweaked many times over the years to make things "faster".  The leveling guides were made because of all the messages I got from people asking me how I was able to level up so quickly on new realms.  I was first to level 60 on 7 different realms (3 with Mancow and 4 with Joana), even winning Blizzard's "First to Level 50" contest they held back in 2006.

Welcome to the ninth r/ClassicWoW 4-Day Chat! The 4-Day Chats are a series of posts that will be stickied for exactly four days. The purpose of this series is to open a larger forum for back-and-forth discussion about major topics pertaining to WoW Classic, with particular focus on currently hot-topics of discussion. As soon as this post is unstickied, a new one with a different topic will replace it.
We recommend that you learn First Aid as soon as possible for easy self-healing. Skinning, Herbalism and Mining are great primary professions for a leveling Warrior, allowing you to make extra gold, or accumulate materials that you can use to level crafting professions later. There is also a case to be made for leveling Engineering early on, since its crafts can allow you to immediately solo quests that would otherwise have to wait for later levels, such as Whirlwind Axe's.
The absence of Thunder Clap from the rotation and training list is intended. This skill is great against 3+ targets, especially when you are dungeon leveling with a premade group, in which case it should absolutely be one of your priorities. However, it is also expensive to train its multiple ranks, and its damage against less than three targets is weak for the Rage spent, which makes it a trap skill for most players.
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